WYSIWYG editors Updated

[Greg]

All three have updates:
HTMLArea 3.0 RC1
TinyMCE 1.43
FCKeditor 2.0 RC3

[iNSiPiD]

Does anyone have a solid preference here? I've had to disable TinyMCE (especially for client-side page editing) based on the fact that it rewrites code - even after you've explicitly editied it in the HTML window. I really need an editor that is oging to leave javascript and other custom code alone.  At the end of the day, if we can't find a reliable WYSYIWIG for client use, then I'll be stuck doing the updates myself in HTML.

The only other gripe I have with CMSMS is the dynamic menu system. Without putting too fine a point on it, PHPLayers is competely inadequate and not cross browser friendly. There are dozens of pure CSS based list style menus (see http://www.alistapart.com) available that do a fantastic job. Is there not a simple way to implement one of these and dispens with all the unnecessary and buggy DHTML that goes with the current menu?

Seriously, rectifying these two things would make CMSMS a much more serious contender in the battle for a truly simple CMS.

[Ted]

I completely agree!  Both are things that frustrate me more than anything else.  I'll take suggestions on other options for both things...

Would anyone be interested in something like Markdown or Textile as an option for a WYSIWYG?

[Akrabat]

Markdown or Textile don't cut it with clients like wysiwyg does.

[piratos]

Thus, “Markdown” is two things: (1) a plain text formatting syntax; and (2) a software tool, written in Perl, that converts the plain text formatting to HTML.

I think php is your script language not perl.

[Ted]

There is a php port of markdown out there.  That page has a better description.

Markdown or Textile don't cut it with clients like wysiwyg does.

Yeah, I know.  It's depressing that every free WYSIWYG out there has so many problems.  Makes me look like I don't know what I'm doing...

[Greg]

They seem to be getting better though. If I create a page entirely with TinyMCE and don't try to add any of my own code, it works fine. Even class assignments work, but again the CSS has to be designed for the editor. The people that had no experience in doing web pages with HTML coding, that create their own pages on one of my websiites thought it was great and they produced a fairly decent page.  I made a tutorial for them in wink, they followed that and it worked. I stressed, put all your text in, graphics next, then do the formatting.

[pbol]

I think markdown's great - nice tidy code, easy to learn. Besides the code rewriting the problem with WYSIWYG editors is that they provide too much choice for many situations - red flashing text may be ok for gamer message boards, but for a professional looking site it's much better to convince the clients that anything over basic layout is better left to the designer.

[iNSiPiD]

Personally I hate them all. I don't understand why the developers of these editors devote so much time to producing a WYSIWIG that rewrites your source code.

Given that in my organisation peole will be pasting content from HTML Word docs, FCKEditor, with its Paste from Word function, seems like the only solution for me. Otherwise I have to employ HTML Tidy or another utility to clean the documents first.