Macintosh, explorer 5.0

[dwar]

Hello all cms users!

I'm making a site for an organization and have chosen to work with cms made simple. I have tried a bunch of other cms, but I got hooked on cms made simple mostly because it's not as bloated as most others.

To the problem:
The guy who gave me the assignment, and will be doing most of the site upgrades, uses a macintosh running MacOS 9.x with Internet Explorer 5.0. With this setup he cannot see anything built with javascript. Not the menu, not the tools in the content editor. This kinda takes away all the benefits of a cms. I guided him over the phone on how to enable javascript support in IE, but to no use. We even restarted IE, but still nothing.

Are there any mac experts out there using cms made simple? Anything we might have missed. I know that IE 5.1.x is out for macOS 9.x, but I wonder if upgrading is going to help? Are there some settings in the operative system I don't know about? It's been years since I tinkered with a macintosh (mostly linux on x86-systems for me).
Please help, I really need to get this working.

[nils73]

DOH! Mac-IE5 definitely sucks. I assume there will be problems with the php-layer-menu that is being used in the default scheme in admin-mode. But you can use a different layout and avoid the problems. This can be defined per user in CMSMS. So you will be able to edit the page with a different layout scheme and your customer may use the one that suits him best. Or you create your own display version --- it's not too big a problem with CMSMS, one of the true benefits to be exactly.

Javascript calls are very rare. Maybe there will be problems with a WYSIWYG editor and you might have to test several editors if needed. Maybe you want to visit the project pages of TinyMCE, htmlArea and xStandard to check whether they work with IE5 on Mac or not. But don't worry: other CMS have this problem as well and CMSMS provides a fallback to textarea (which is default) so that editing a page is still possible but requires basic HTML knowledge.

If you know how to deal with PHP you are invited to write a module for Textile or Markdown.

Regards,
Nils

[dwar]

Thanks for your help!
Unfortunately I don't have the knowledge to write those modules :-/
I've changed the interface to htmlArea but haven't found out if it worked with his system yet. He's about to get an upgrade to macOS X shortly and I guess Safari comes with that? Will Safari handle it better? At least Firefox is available for macOS X, how's that combination?

Again, thanks!

[nils73]

dwar,

it is not _that_ difficult because you do not need to write any modules. In admin mode go to "Preferences" and choose your favourite design for administration tasks, i.e. default, monochrome, bluewater. I guess it is monocrhome that goes without layered menus so this one should work on ie5 mac as well.

I've changed the interface to htmlArea but haven't found out if it worked with his system yet.

It could work according to this link.

He's about to get an upgrade to macOS X shortly and I guess Safari comes with that? Will Safari handle it better? At least Firefox is available for macOS X, how's that combination?

Safari is great. It is probably the best browser you can get out there. Stable, standards compliant, fast as hell and with smart features. But it will also work with Firefox (at least it works in my Firefox on Windoze). Maybe you want to google on "htmlArea" and "mac ie 5" ...

Regards,
Nils

[Ted]

beta4 only has one administration theme, and it is pretty heavy on the css aspect.  Not a lot of javascript, though, except for the WYSIWYGs.

Keep in mind, though, WYSIWYGs do not work on Safari until Tiger (10.4).  Even then, I think TinyMCE does work and HTMLArea does not.  Not totally positive on that one, though.

[nils73]

Just surfed through Xinha forum (the successor of htmlArea) and found this thread:

http://xinha.gogo.co.nz/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=160

Seems like Safari support is not yet available there. Don't know about other projects but if I am not mistaken it is all about "designMode" which is available with Safari 2.0 but they still need to fix some bugs and workarounds that have been implemented for IE and Mozilla so that they will also work in Safari.

Regards,
Nils

[Alex_Leipzig]

Wow, seems to be quite a good editor! Customizable and loads of plug-ins. Since htmlArea is discontinued: can Xinha be integrated into CMSms? Maybe just replace the htmlArea files?

[Ted]

That would be really nice.  Anyone want to look into this?  Or should I put it on my everlong TODO list?

[nils73]

uuum ... I could give it a shot when I have completed my first CMSMS project ... can't be too far away.

Regards,
Nils