can't use same alias under different folder - version2

[sherlock]

hi everyone

recently i have posted a problem i faced while building my new website, the topic was "can't use same alias under different folder" under the "Product Support" section (now on second page)
i have been working as SEO for more than 5 years now, and CMSMS looked to be one of the best choices I made recently. still I am facing this "alias" issue a problem, i personally consider should be solved or at least a solution from the developer community

now, this time, I want to get into more details and raise the flag of this issue
here are the facts again with an ex:

let's suppose, we want to build a real estate website focusing on US market (rent and sales)
of course from usability and SEO point of view we want to use SEO friendly URLS, by use of pretty URL function (alias)

and here are a few categories we would like to use:

step1
Category index: www.example.com/[b]apartments-for-sale[/b]/
Subcategory: www.example.com/apartments-for-sale/[b] ... apartments[/b]/
Subcategory and state: http://www.example.com/apartments-for-s ... alifornia/
Subcategory, state and city: http://www.example.com/apartments-for-s ... kersfield/

till now everything is pretty ok, the above URL namings can be easily used by completing the alias field very easily

now let's suppose we want to build up a similar structure but for other subcategory:

step2
Category index: www.example.com/apartments-for-sale/
Subcategory: www.example.com/apartments-for-sale/[b] ... -apartment[/b]/
Subcategory and state: http://www.example.com/apartments-for-s ... california[/b]/
Subcategory, state and city: http://www.example.com/apartments-for-s ... akersfield[/b]/

as you can see, I left California and Bakersfield as it is, which at the moment can not be implemented in the CMS as they would be considered duplicate aliases (already used at previous subcategory) regardless that they are under different folder

and to make things even worser, here is another ex with another category and its subcategories:

step3
Category index: www.example.com/[b]apartments-for-rent[/b]/
Subcategory: www.example.com/apartments-for-rent/[b] ... -apartment[/b]/
Subcategory and state: www.example.com/apartments-for-rent/[b] ... -apartment[/b]/california/
Subcategory, state and city: http://www.example.com/apartments-for-r ... akersfield[/b]/

now in this case duplicate alias would occur with the second level already (one-bedroom-apartment), which is logic of course

i know, everything gets in the database and each alias should be unique which I understand, still, i personally consider there must be a solution and make possible such URL structures to be built

in my first post, I was suggested something like reinforcing the URL namings which in our last URL would look like:

www.example.com/apartments-for-rent/one-bedroom-apartment-for-rent/apartment-for-rent-in-california/apartment-for-rent-in-bakersfield/

this would turn my URLs to be very long, too many term repetitions and so on which any SEO would like to avoid, but at the moment only this way or similar would the CMS allow to build up my pages to make the URLs unique

my example relates to use of a pyramidal structure (categories, subcategories and so on) and not a flat structure

there is probably already a solution for this, I just missed it somehow

i hope the examples above are easily understandable, and of course my goal, what i really want to achieve which would after all be useful for anyone

thanks in advance for anyone who can help me out with this and sorry for such a long post

[M@rtijn]

Indeed that's a very big post, you really made an effort! 

I have read your previous topic as well and thought the developers already explained to you that what you want (folders in the URL), is not possible and would require a fundamental change in the way CMSMS works.

Ofcourse you got every right to say what you want, that's the idea of a forum, but till so far you have only complained about this matter, even went as far as saying it needs to be solved.

Basicly this is all there is:

my example relates to use of a pyramidal structure (categories, subcategories and so on) and not a flat structure

You are trying to make something, which is not possible in CMSMS.

You say that because of SEO, your urls should use folders and contain every possible search-word, i think that's exaggerating it. For example, there is nothing wrong the following urls, which would work perfectly within CMSMS:
http://www.example.com/appartments-for- ... california
http://www.example.com/studio-appartmen ... california
http://www.example.com/second-hand-audi
http://www.example.com/new-audi

of course my goal, what i really want to achieve which would after all be useful for anyone

Your goal, but be fair, you're asking for a lot from the -voluntary and unpaid- developers here.

[sherlock]

thank you ringportal

well, i had no any intention to offend developers or so, i really like this CMS but when i faced this problem with use of duplicate alias, i really wanted to know for sure if there would still be any way to solve it
i would have even paid for this and the reason i mentioned "should be solved" that was purely for the sake of making this CMS even more useful and flexible for the community
the website i plan to use a CMS has over 10 thousand pages with well defined pyramidal structure, so it would be a robust volume of work with it
after all, I will use CMSMS for more simple, flat structured websites

thanks again and sorry if my message sounded offensive to anyone, there wasn't such an intention from my part

[calguy1000]

the website i plan to use a CMS has over 10 thousand pages with well defined pyramidal structure

Then CMSMS is not for you anyways.  CMSMS is not an enterprise class content management system.  CMSMS is designed for sites with 'dozens to hundreds' of pages... it will quite quickly break down when you start to put thousands of pages into it.

Using CMSMS for a project with 10,000 pages is kinda like trying to turn a honda civic into a boat.  You may get it to work, but it aint gonna be pretty, and don't expect any kind of manufacturers warantee.

[sherlock]

thanks calguy1000
i was also assuming, it would probably break, but now I know this as well

many thanks

[tyman00]

Please don't create two topics about the same subject.