a) we're not out to compete... we're here to fill a need. We don't need to be the best CMS or get into the 'bell and whistle' race with them.
b) There is a forum module, it's a 3rd party addon
c) there is a quizzard module, another 3rd party addon
d) if there were a wiki module it would be an addon as well
e) versioning: admitted, this should be there, and is planned
f) there is a captcha module that is integrated with many other modules. The Self Registration (addon module) uses email validation, as does the NMS module.
The goal of CMS is to keep it small and allow others (maybe even us) to write/use addons as we need for a particular site. The average corporate site doesn't need a forum, a quizzard, or a wiki... and seldom needs versioning. So it's a better idea to try to keep the core package small and provide a good environment for developers to write those things when they need it.
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My favorite is this : "On the support forums, there's a great deal of activity in the German language section, which creates a bit of a barrier for English-language speakers."
As I'm one the the moderators of the French language forum which as a similar level of activity I hope we don't disturb you too much
a) we're not out to compete... we're here to fill a need. We don't need to be the best CMS or get into the 'bell and whistle' race with them.
Well I think you misunderstood the point of my link. But then again, I didn't realize those were add-ons, I thought the forum (made simple) and blog (made simple) were native CMSMS features and so that is what I was jumping up and down about.
I already think this is the best CMS out there (I've hit your donate button twice in fact), so I don't mind seeing it get some well deserved GOOD publicity. And believe me, I try out (and abandon) CMS apps like most women try on shoes!
CMSMS is like that great pair of black pumps that never goes out of style and that always makes you feel pretty. (I know you guys will have a hard time with that analogy, so just think of it as that nice bass boat you've always wanted!)
However, it was a good place to announce that 'we're not there to compete'... we don't aim to be #1, and we're not concerned with matching Drupal or Joomla or xoops or any other package of the week 'feature for feature'... We're here to build a package that allows us to do our job more easily, and the way we want to.
To me, that means that the flexibility is there to build a simple (semi static) website without many addons at all. But if my customers want it, and with a bit of a learning curve, I can plug this addon, and that addon together, and use some logic in the page template etc, to hopefully be able to do what my customers want without having to dive into PHP very much, if at all.
Then all I should have to do is 'style it up'.
To me, that is 'simple'.
If our product doesn't have a 'blog' addion, or a 'quiz' addon, or a 'wiki' addon yet (or if they don't sum up to the expectactions for the site your currently doing), that's okay, because we're not trying to be everything to everybody. Those things will come in time as the product matures and as developers either get paid to do them, or need them themselves. At which point they can expect to be able to plug them into CMS easily, and also integrate them into other modules.
Keep in mind that products like Wordpress were developed as a package to make blogging easy. Similarly Drupal was probably developed to make portals easy. CMS Made simple was developed to make 'small(ish) semi-static sties' work easily, and to allow end users to be able to edit content easily.
One package will always have 'this feature' and 'that feature' that another package doesn't have, or doesn't do as well. Everybody should get used to this. There are times when Wordpress, or Drupal, or xoops, or Joomla are the best choices for a project. We know this. and others should too.
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We're not here to compete, just to fill a need, and do it in a way that others may get use out of.
I don't care if the package is the best, or even if it's in the top 10... I just care that it allows me to do my job easily, allows my designer to do his easily, and allows my customer to edit content easily.
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calguy1000 wrote:
a) we're not out to compete... we're here to fill a need. We don't need to be the best CMS or get into the 'bell and whistle' race with them.
b) There is a forum module, it's a 3rd party addon
c) there is a quizzard module, another 3rd party addon
d) if there were a wiki module it would be an addon as well
e) versioning: admitted, this should be there, and is planned
f) there is a captcha module that is integrated with many other modules. The Self Registration (addon module) uses email validation, as does the NMS module.
The goal of CMS is to keep it small and allow others (maybe even us) to write/use addons as we need for a particular site. The average corporate site doesn't need a forum, a quizzard, or a wiki... and seldom needs versioning. So it's a better idea to try to keep the core package small and provide a good environment for developers to write those things when they need it.
Calguy< I really second your thoughts and feelings on this. I found Mambo, Joomla, and a BitWeaver absolute pains to work with. Yeah, they 'might' have more features out of the box, but they are bloody unfriendly when it comes to modifying their look and feel. I consider any system that is difficult and non intuitive for an experienced developer and designer to use is absolutely a disaster for the avergae client who will want to add their own content. The point of a CMS is so that we don't have to hold our clients' hands. Those CMS's ALL defeat that purpose.
Beofer I found CMS made simple, I was essentially building my own small content management systems for each individual client based on their needs. They weren't very sophisticated, but CMS has proven to be the perfect. The only other one I like- and its very early in its development - is bloofox. What a neat little package for the small brochure site for a small business.
