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 Post subject: Separation of CMSMS MLE Fork from cmsmadesimple.org
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:46 pm 
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To All:

Due to a number of factors, the CMSMS development team has decided to discontinue any direct association to the CMSMS-MLE fork on the cmsmadesimple.org website, This will mean that the forum for questions relating to the MLE fork will be closed or disabled by the end of January, 2010, and that no further issues related to the MLE fork would be entertained on cmsmadesimple.org

The primary reasons for this decision are:

   * The MLE fork is, and always has been an unsupported FORK (modification) to the CMSMS project that provided some additional functionalities that are not available in the primary package.
   * There has never been any assumption of compatibility between the two projects, and if CMSMS modules or plugins have worked on the fork, that is a purely do to the fact that the MLE-fork is based on CMS Made Simple. There never has been an assumption or a guarantee that modules are in any way compatible with the MLE fork.
   * The very fact that the MLE fork is hosted on the cmsmadesimple.org domain serves to some users as an indication of a tight relationship between these products, when in fact none exists.
   * CMS Made Simple will eventually tackle the Multi-lang issue, but in a completely different way, making compatibility probably out of the question unless somebody writes a conversion script (this won't be on the list of tasks for the CMSMS development team).  Either way, the MLE fork will probably continue to have a life of its own well after CMSMS supports multiple language websites.
   * There are continued posts on the forums in the wrong locations about problems with the MLE fork, that the forum administrators are regularly forced to move to the proper place, making an extra maintenance chore for our forum administrators.
   * There are continued bug reports, and feature requests for the various modules about functionality that is broken or would be nice with particular modules, W.R.T. the MLE fork.
   * Module developers continue to get emails about posts on the forum related to the MLE fork or bugs or features submitted to the forge, forcing them to reply that the module is not tested with, or assumed to be compatible with the MLE fork, which leads to more angst by the user base.
   * The lack of support for the MLE version by module developers, and the lack of help for MLE questions on the main part of the forum, and the implied tight linking to CMS Made Simple unfairly negatively impacts the CMS Made Simple project.


We have discussed this decision with the primary developer of the MLE-fork and have his complete agreement. We have encouraged him to create another website where this project can be hosted, and develop independently of CMS Made Simple. We will endeavor to provide whatever assistance possible to assist in this migration process, and will provide appropriate linking to this new website once it is available, however we will be emphasizing that it is a loosely related, and unofficial, unsupported modification to CMSMS, and in no way can any compatibility be assured, or compatibility issues supported.

Thank you for your time, and continued usage of CMS Made Simple.

The CMSMS Development Team.

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 Post subject: Re: Separation of CMSMS MLE Fork from cmsmadesimple.org
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:12 pm 
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well said, Calguy.


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 Post subject: Re: Separation of CMSMS MLE Fork from cmsmadesimple.org
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:11 pm 
Any news for a new MLE separation domain?


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 Post subject: Re: Separation of CMSMS MLE Fork from cmsmadesimple.org
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:20 pm 
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Wow, that is too bad.

I understand why, but will an mle version be addressed in CMS 2.x?

Being in eastern Canada, where I am forced to develop sites in 2 languages (english and french )It is the main reason I choose to CMSMS. I have even built CMSMS sites with the Government of Canada, it would a shame if I could not offer them this option in future versions of CMSMS.


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 Post subject: Re: Separation of CMSMS MLE Fork from cmsmadesimple.org
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:32 pm 
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Please read through the thread that discusses version 2.0 it is discussed in there.

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 Post subject: Re: Separation of CMSMS MLE Fork from cmsmadesimple.org
PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:46 pm 
Calguy...
couldn't this topic be made sticky for a while?
Again and again people don't know what happened and why they can't download MLE any more. (Not everybody reads old topics, not everybody has been a member here last year).
Might be a help to have something in the announcements at least.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:59 pm 
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cyberman wrote:
Any news for a new MLE separation domain?


That's my question as well, because I just finished website using MLE and would like to have some support for it in the future (read: I would like to be able to upgrade to 1.9).

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 Post subject: Re: Separation of CMSMS MLE Fork from cmsmadesimple.org
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 3:42 pm 
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cyberman wrote:
Any news for a new MLE separation domain?


I still have not been contacted by the author of the fork... therefore no news at this time.

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 Post subject: Re: Separation of CMSMS MLE Fork from cmsmadesimple.org
PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:33 pm 
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Dear Dev Team.

Of course i respect your decision. Buit this is pure policy. From the user point of view you cut of the bypass to the future. What should mle user do with their sites? Look for another gpl mle cms?
Support in the forum was more than sufficient. Solutions for module relatet ajustments could always be found.
I am very sad about this development and hope that you rethink this or offer a usable solition soon.
Thank you

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 Post subject: Re: Separation of CMSMS MLE Fork from cmsmadesimple.org
PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:54 pm 
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You are in error.

You are assuming that this 'package' was endorsed by and supported by us.  it never has been.  And it has lead to a great deal of confusion.  Perhaps you just haven't seen it.  I see the bug reports all the time.  The problems may seem small to you now, but they are only going to get bigger.

The best bet for the future to minimize the confusion that other users have faced, and the problems we have encountered would be for the author of this module to rename it, replace all of the logos etc, that come with the system, setup his own support forum, and to re-release it under the new name.

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 Post subject: Re: Separation of CMSMS MLE Fork from cmsmadesimple.org
PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:39 am 
[quote
I am very sad about this development and hope that you rethink this or offer a usable solition soon.
Thank you

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Yes, I'm sad, too. And I wonder if there was really no way to implement alby's ideas of making a mulitlanguage cms. After all it's the most comfortable around. All the other suggestions are possible but not really handy. Now that obviously no contact with alby is possible it's too late. But there were times when a contact was possible.


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 Post subject: Re: Separation of CMSMS MLE Fork from cmsmadesimple.org
PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:04 pm 
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>:(

I also regret the announcement of separation of Cms Made Simple and this fork nammed MLE, but it makes no sense to ask to the team of CMS Made Simple to assume the support of software they didn't realize.

So for all users of MLE, you are in trouble: yes,it's true and it is very harmful but you used a fork !! ... Nobody forced you, and nobody had announced support for MLE by the dev team. MLE has never even been proposed on the "download" button on the homepage of cmsmadesimple.org!

The choice for choosing MLE when you started to install your website has finally not been a good strategic choice, but rather than cry against the developers of CMS Made Simple, you'd rather consult Alby, support him and help him to raise that MLE under another name!

And before you ask: No, I don't have website in MLE -I'm not crazy- and yes I already offered my help to Alby to help create his project.

signed: a simple user of Cms Made Simple

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 Post subject: Re: Separation of CMSMS MLE Fork from cmsmadesimple.org
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cyberman wrote:
Any news for a new MLE separation domain?


Hello Alby and MLE FF (fork'fans),

As many europeen CMSMS users I regret the separation of CMSMS and your MLE fork, and as most of them I understand why this happened.

I have several CMSMS-MLE sites with former versions than 1.8.2 installed and working great, Very great. As part of the releases where security releases I would like to upgrade them. Then my question is, is there a place where I could download the upgrades to MLE 1.8.2 ?

If not... is there anybody out there who could share these precious MLE release with me ?

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seensite wrote:

If not... is there anybody out there who could share these precious MLE release with me ?



Waiting for the new site of MLE, I put a full 1.8.2 MLE on zshare (http://www.zshare.net/download/81567000ffc71137/).

(I hope this will not be considered a disrespect of CMSMS Team's decision...I understand their point of view...)


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@Nervino : Thank you very much!

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